S.W. Lauden get around. He’s had short fiction published by
Out of the Gutter, Criminal Element, Dark Corners, Dead Guns Magazine, Akashic
Books, WeirdBook, Spelk Fiction, Shotgun Honey, and Crimespree Magazine.
His short story, Itchy Feet, was published in Unloaded: Crime Writers Writing Without Guns
(Down & Out Books). His short story, Big Shots, is included in the
anthology Fast Women and Neon Lights:
Eighties-Inspired Neon Noir (Short Stack Books). His short story, Customer,
appears in Waiting to be Forgotten:
Stories of Crime and Heartbreak Inspired by The Replacements (Gutter
Books).
He is the author of the Greg Salem punk rock P.I. series
including Bad Citizen Corporation and
Grizzly Season (Rare Bird Books). His
Tommy & Shayna Crime Caper novellas include Crosswise and Crossed Bones
(Down & Out Books). He is also the co-host of the Writer Types podcast with Eric Beetner.
One Bite at a Time:
Hi, Steve. It’s been a little while since we chatted. Welcome back. Shayna
Billups and Tommy Ruzzo are also back in Crossed
Bones. Tell us a little about those two and their story.
S.W. Lauden:
Thanks for having me back, Dana. Tommy and Shayna are star-crossed lovers who
first showed up in my novella, Crosswise.
She's a femme fatale who cost Tommy his NYPD badge before luring him down to
her hometown on the panhandle of Florida. She leaves him high and dry shortly
after he gets a job as head of security at a retirement community where several
of the tenants start dropping dead. He tries to solve the murders to win Shayna
and his badge back, but things quickly spiral out of control in the most
ridiculous and violent ways.
By the time we catch up with Tommy and Shayna in Crossed Bones, she's off partying in New
Orleans and he's a drunken wreck stranded in Florida. A chance meeting with a
mysterious older gentlemen at a pirate-themed bar sends Shayna on a treasure
hunt in North Carolina. When things get out of hand, Tommy and his
bartender/boss/best friend set off to rescue her. They soon find themselves
caught between a biker gang and a band of cocaine-dealing pirate impersonators.
That's when things get interesting.
OBAAT: I see you
fell back onto Raymond Chandler’s famous advice, that when stuck for what
happens next, have a biker gang and a band of cocaine-dealing pirate
impersonators come through the door. I know you didn’t expect to drop that on
us and not have me ask you where you got the idea.
SWL: Chandler
truly was a visionary! I’m not exactly sure where the inspiration for Crossed Bones came from—might have been
a fever dream, or maybe I ate too much sugar—but I do know that I set out to
have fun with these characters. The folks over at Down & Out Books started
referring to the Tommy and Shayna books as crime capers, and I think that fits.
In general, they’re a little more freewheeling and fun than the Greg Salem
books. Something about the length and pace of novellas sets me off in a
different direction I guess. The books are still pretty dark and feature lots
of bad people doing terrible things to each other, but some of the situations
tend slightly toward the ridiculous.
OBAAT: I think of
you as an L.A. guy, yet Crossed Bones
takes place largely in North Carolina, which is about as far from California as
one can get without a passport. Why there?
SWL: I’ve lived
in L.A. most of my life, but I’ve done a fair amount of traveling. In
particular, touring in a band offers up a unique view of cities you might not
otherwise visit. It’s just a series of very short, very intense experiences in
specific places that often only reveal the most extreme parts of their
personalities to you. You don’t leave there pretending to truly know the
place—how could you?—but it’s possible to develop some strong, often misguided
impressions based on your limited experience there. Years later, I find that
business travel and certain types of whirlwind vacations (weekend weddings,
etc.) can have the same effect. That’s kind of the perspective I was writing
from when I created the fictional locations in both Crosswise and Crossed Bones.
OBAAT: Did you
plan to have Tommy and Shayna come back even before you wrote Crosswise, or was that a more recent
decision?
SWL: Not
originally. Crosswise itself grew out
of a short story I wrote while on vacation in Florida. That short story never
got published, but a few people who read it encouraged me to expand the story,
which is how it evolved into a novella. My editor, Elaine Ash, was a big
supporter so she passed the novella along to Eric Campbell at Down & Out
Books and he agreed to publish it. One of the things we discussed back then was
potentially turning these characters into a series, but that's as far as we
got. And then one day last year I got an idea for a story that quickly evolved
into the second Tommy & Shayna Crime Caper, Crossed Bones.
OBAAT: You
describe Tommy Ruzzo as a disgraced NYPD cop. Greg Salem, protagonist of Bad Citizens Corporation and Grizzly Season, also had a police career
that didn’t work out so well for him. What about fallen cops plays so well into
the stories you like to tell?
SWL: Believe it
or not, I didn’t really realize I had done this until after Bad Citizen Corporation and Crosswise were both published. Could be
a uniform fetish, but more likely there's a pretty pragmatic reason—an ex-cop
has certain skills and training that will come in handy when they try to solve
crimes, or otherwise stick their nose where it probably isn’t wanted.
I also like the idea of failed authority figures. There’s a
certain romance to a flawed person who tries to do the right thing, only to
succumb to the parts of themselves they were avoiding all along.
OBAAT: Crossed Bones and Crosswise are billed as novellas. What appeals to you about the
shorter form?
SWL: I really
like novellas as a reader, especially for crime fiction. There's not a lot of
room for exposition, so the writing and the pace of novellas tends to be
quicker. And, if you're somebody who reads a lot, it's nice to be able to
finish a book on a long plane ride or when you’re on vacation beside the pool
or at the beach. It's a unique experience that's different than getting pulled
into a novel that takes a week or two to finish. Novels can be more of a
commitment, but novellas are like a one night stand or lost weekend. Both are
enjoyable in their own special ways.
OBAAT: We talked
a little about your life as a musician when last we chatted in December of
2015. As a recovering musician myself, I wonder if anything you learned as a
musician carries over into writing. Not just story ideas, but craft elements.
SWL: When I was
still playing in bands, I always thought that playing shows was a lot more fun
than rehearsing. That might seem obvious, but I've known plenty of musicians
who are perfectly content noodling away in their bedroom or studio. If your aim
is to get your music (or books or paintings or interpretive dance) in front of
more people, you have to do both. One feeds off of the other. As tired a cliché
as it is, I have to remind myself to sit down in a chair and type...and just
keep typing. As far as I can tell, that's the only way that you're ever going
to make anything happen. It can be lonely, tedious, frustrating, and
emotionally exhausting, but that's the gig. It makes those agent and publisher
phone calls, book launch parties, writers conferences, and five-star reviews
that much sweeter when and if they come along.
OBAAT: The hero
of your novels Bad Citizen Corporation
(one of my favorite titles ever) and Grizzly
Season is Greg Salem, former cop and punk rock legend. As a punk rock
legend yourself, how much of you is in Greg?
SWL: Greg is a punk
rock legend in his hometown and other little pockets of super fandom around the
imaginary world I've created for him. I'm not even a punk rock legend in my own
living room—just ask my wife and kids. But I did play in bands for a long time
and I'm not sure I would have written a trilogy about a punk rock P.I. if I
didn't have a personal perspective on that world and an emotional attachment to
the people who inhabit it. Music—whether it was punk, glam, alternative, indie,
metal, or good old fashioned rock and roll—was pretty much my whole eco-system
from the time I hit puberty until, well...what's the opposite of puberty? Let's
just call it middle age. Even now I can get lost in songs in a way that is
unlike almost any other experience in my life. That's something that I've tried
to build into Greg's character, both as a foundational part of his backstory
and as something that he struggles with as he gets older.
OBAAT: You
mentioned last time you were here there would probably be three Greg Salem
books. Is that still the case, and, if so, what’s the status?
SWL: The third
book in the planned Greg Salem trilogy, Hang Time, is with my publisher, Rare
Bird Books. I'm pretty thrilled with how it turned out and have gotten some
great feedback from beta readers. That book should be coming out in October of
2017.
OBAAT: You’re
currently partnering with Eric Beetner on a monthly podcast called Writer Types that I’ve already come to
look forward to, and I’m not usually into podcasts. How did that come to be?
SWL: I'm really
happy to hear that you're enjoying the podcast! Eric and I hit it off pretty
quickly when I started poking around the LA crime writing scene a few years
ago. We both have backgrounds in music, and we both see the need to support the
Indie crime/mystery scene in our own ways. He is, of course, one of the
founders of Noir at the Bar LA and has given countless authors the chance to
read in front of a supportive, drunken crowd. I've been doing interviews (much
like this one) on my own blog for a couple of years now, often featuring many
of the same writers from the N@B LA events. We are also both big podcast
listeners, so all it took was a road trip to a book signing in San Diego to
bring it all together. That happened last October and the first episode was
published in January of this year.
OBAAT: What
impressed me right away about Writer
Types is the caliber of guests you get. The first four editions had the
likes of Megan Abbott, Lou Berney, Reed Farrel Coleman, and Sara Paretsky, just
to name a handful. That’s truly skimming the cream. How do you and Eric decide
who to invite, and how hard is it to work out schedules?
SWL: When it
comes to the crime/mystery community, we're truly spoiled for choice. There are
so many talented authors to choose from in various stages of their writing
careers. And so far the vast majority of the ones we've contacted have been
responsive and open to giving us a chance to interview them, or have a little
fun with them on microphone.
So, recording an entertaining conversation with an
interesting person is actually pretty easy. Getting the stars aligned so that
all the players are available at the same time and with a stable internet
connection? Not so much. Everybody involved is busy, including me, Eric, and
our reviewers, Kate and Dan Malmon from Crimespree magazine. But this whole
thing is a labor of love, so it's all been worth it as far as I'm concerned.
Ask me again after episode six.