Those who say
perpetual motion is impossible haven’t met Eric Beetner. I don’t know anyone
else who maintains his pace. I don’t know two people who combined can match his
pace on Eric’s day off. To give a
brief idea of his resume, his books include Rumrunners
and its sequel Leadfoot, The Devil Doesn't Want Me, When The Devil
Comes To Call and Book 3 in the trilogy, The Devil At Your Door (released last week), Dig Two Graves, White Hot Pistol, The Year I Died Seven Times, Stripper
Pole At The End Of The World, and the story collection, A Bouquet Of Bullets.
He co-authored The Backlist and The Short List, both with Frank Zafiro, and, with JB Kohl, the
novels One Too Many Blows to The Head,
Borrowed Trouble, and Over Their Heads. He’s also penned two
novellas in the popular Fightcard series, Split
Decision and A Mouth Full of Blood,
and two novellas in The Lawyer series
of Westerns, Blood Moon and Six Guns at Sundown.
(Pause here to give
the reader a chance to catch her breath.)
He co-produces,
edits, and hosts the highly-acclaimed podcast Writer Types with S.W. Lauden and has designed over ninety book
covers, three of which I am proud to call my own.
Eric has toured as
a musician, painted, written screenplays, acted in short films, been to China
twice, fished in the Mississippi, met Barry Manilow, and directed films and
music videos. His name has been on television over a hundred times, and he owns
a real human skull.
He lives in Los
Angeles where he co-hosts the Noir At The Bar reading series in his copious
free time.
In spite of all
that, he still found time to shoot the shit with me. As you might expect, he
started:
Eric Beetner: Your Penns River series is ongoing and I'm
just wrapping up a trilogy, which
felt like the right amount of story for those
characters. Did you have a plan going in about how many books [the] story would
entail, or are you just following the stories as they come to you?
Dana King: I don’t know I had the idea it would even be a series when I started.
Once I had the universe in place stories started to find me. I came to like
that world so much I even made the PI from my other series into the cousin of
the main character in Penns River so I could overlap the two. Now I’m curious
to see how far I can take it.
I thought Lars and
Shaine were great characters from early on in The Devil Doesn't Want Me. When you say three felt about right for
them, is that an idea that came to you after you wrote the third, or did you
have three stories in mind when you started, kind of how David Simon had a
five-year arc in mind when he started The
Wire?
EB: I really start every book as a standalone so at the end of The Devil
Doesn't Want Me it could have been one and done. But at the same time the
ending was very leading, at least for me, to wonder what came next for these
characters. The relationship they establish in the first book is just beginning
almost like he's adopted a new child. There was plenty of story left to tell. I
haven't traditionally been a big fan of series work, or long series anyway. I
think the Parker books over read ten or eleven. Beyond that I tend to tap out
after three, with a few exceptions like Owen Laukkanen's Stevens and Windermere
series, Joe Lansdale's Hap and Leonard series. I'm coming around to longer series.
Maybe it's my age. J
But for me I like a
story with real stakes and that means not knowing if a character is going to
make it through to the end. If I go in knowing full well that Phillip Marlowe,
for example, is going to be fine it takes a little away from the story. It
might be why even in the sequels I've written I tend to still kill off a lot of
people. That threat has to be there.
Part of me has
wanted to do a series where the main character gets killed off and the books
pick up with a minor character who gets pushed forward, then they die and so
on. Something tells me a publisher might not be into that idea.
But for books two
and three of Lars and Shaine I had a trilogy plotted out by the time I was
pitching that book to publishers. Neither idea of the second and third books
ended up being what they were about. I came up with new stuff when the time
came.
All that said, I
was sad to see them go. I've always wondered if writers who do a series 20-plus
books deep, if there is some basic reluctance to let these characters go. Like
if or when they do, do they go through a depression like losing a family
member?
DK: I’ll let you know about that depression business if people can bear to
read that many of my books. You do touch on a problem with many series: the
reader knows the main character can’t die. That’s why I think—well, I hope—I
can keep the Penns River series going. Because it’s an ensemble cast and the
town is the continuing focal point, I can kill off anyone I want. Maybe not Ben
Dougherty, but there’s nothing that says something terrible can’t happen to him
and maybe move him off the front line.
I had an idea years
ago for an anthology where the main character in each story played a minor role
in the previous story. Ideally the last story in the book would include the
first story’s main character in a supporting role to close the loop and make it
truly a book you could start anywhere and read. Patti Abbott started a cycle of
flash pieces like that and it was great fun to fill a niche.
EB: That anthology sounds like a lot of fun. A different approach to a
collection.
I like your
approach with Penns River, too. I think it's interesting to make a series more
about a place than a person. Like you say, there is a central character in Ben,
but if you populate the world around him with compelling people and situations,
your limit of stories is endless.
Not to name drop
but I recently had the chance to interview Sara Paretsky (for my podcast Writer Types with me and SW Lauden) and we asked her how her character of VI
Warshawski ages as the series progresses. Without giving away her answer, it is
an interesting thought that most writers probably don't consider at the start
of a series. I guess there is always the option to have them perpetually one
age like The Simpsons or something, but crime novels generally try to stick to
the realism. My characters Lars and Shaine go through some significant changes
in just the three books over the course of only a few years, but it was
important to me to show that growth, especially since age is such an important
thing in the first book, The Devil
Doesn't Want Me.
Of course I'm
always fighting my instinct to write a character who is fifty as the
"older" guy while seeming to deny that I am approaching that
milestone myself in the fast lane. I suppose time marches on for us too. We
don't get the luxury of being frozen on the page. *sigh*
DK: I bleed for you. I vaguely remember being fifty.
I thought a lot and
made conscious decisions about how characters aged in the Penns River books. I
haven’t been writing them long enough for anyone but me to notice, but the
characters do age, just not in real time. I drop into each story little hints
about how long it’s been since its predecessor, even though there may have been
a few years since the previous books came out. Doc’s parents will start to show
their age, Chief Napierkowski will retire at some point, but most likely at
times when those actions will be of most benefit to a story. I borrowed the
idea—okay, I stole it—from Ed McBain’s 87th precinct series. He
wrote them for almost fifty years and the characters aged some, but not
dramatically. The passage of time was most obvious in how Steve Carella’s kids
grew up.
You mentioned the
podcasts you’re doing with Steve Lauden a minute ago. I’ve heard both that are
currently available, featuring names such as Megan Abbott, Joe Lonsdale, Reed
Farrel Coleman, and Lou Berney. (Others became available since this interview
took place.) What made you decide these were a good idea—they are, I look
forward to the next one—and how do you get such good production values? They
sound like they could’ve been lifted from NPR.
EB: Well thank you, I'm glad you are liking them. Steve and I both come
from a music background that celebrated a do it yourself aesthetic that we both
have stuck with into our forays in publishing. We had each been approached
separately about doing podcasts as part of a larger "network" and
while that appealed to us, we each had the same reservations of wanting to have
total control over the product our names would be on. Add to that Steve's
experience in marketing, my experience in editing and film and TV productions
and we knew we could do something of the quality we required before we attached
our reputations to it.
I'm glad to see you
reference NPR because that really was our model. We wanted a variety show for
crime and mystery fans. We have so many people we want to talk to and interview
that we didn't want to limit ourselves to one guest per episode. Nor did we want
the work load of doing a show a week. So we decided on once a month and heavily
edited (there went that whole workload thing for me). It's been great fun for
us to do and we look forward to doing it for a long time.
With being our own
producers and engineers we can do it however we want. We recently have done
mobile recording. We have two authors who are on tour out there with a list of
things I want them to record and which I will then edit into a mini tour diary.
We can play with those kinds of ideas.
Steve and I both
try our best to promote other authors and build up the crime fiction community
much like a music scene. Writer Types
has provided us a new platform to do that which allows us to go national
instead of just local with a Noir at the Bar or similar reading or event. If we
can keep up the quality of the first four episodes, I'll be thrilled.
DK: You mentioned your workload. In addition to knocking out excellent
books at a rate any 50s pulp writer would be proud of and everything else you
mentioned just now, you also do book cover designs. Really good cover designs,
if I do say so myself, having seen the three you did for me recently for the
Penns River series. Not only are they good, you’re far more consultative with
the author than are most cover artists. How did you get into that? Even better,
how did you find time for that?
EB: Honestly, this gets back to the DIY thing and my lifelong curiosity of
any art form, usually with the attitude of, "I want a painting in my wall.
Why don't I paint one?" "I want to hear a song like the one in my
head. Why don't I write it?" And in this case, "I need a book cover.
Why don't I do it myself?"
I would not
recommend this to everyone. That said, it's not like I have any special skills
or anything. I am untrained in design or PhotoShop. I just like to get in and
do things. I'm amazed people have trusted me for what is now more than 90
covers. There are many more talented designers, but I am happy to do it if it
means helping out a fellow writer who doesn't have the means to do it on their
own or a small press who needs it done on a small budget. (Yes, I come cheap.)
For every cover I usually throw out four or five concepts and let the author
weigh in, depending on the policy of the publisher. Sometimes that can backfire
and it means a lot of cooks in the kitchen. But my overall goal is to have the
author be happy with their cover.
As for the time,
it's time I should be writing. You will see a slowdown in my output for the
next year or two. My agent has three completed manuscripts yet to find a home,
I'm working on a fourth now. I wrote some TV stuff that I doubt will ever see
the light of day. But I did let myself get overextended in many ways and I am
trying to really focus back on writing alone, at least for a while. The podcast
takes time, other obligations come and go like signing on to write for anthologies
or editing my own anthology (Unloaded
Vol. 2 - out early next year) but I really need to be focused on only the
book I'm writing when I get into it so I'm trying to clear the decks for the
next few months to write this new one.
So quit bugging me,
Dana! Are we done here? Sheesh!
Seriously though,
it's been a fun chat.
Sincere thanks to
Eric Beetner, the James Brown of Crime Fiction, for chatting here today. Eric’s
newest book, The
Devil at Your Door,
Volume 3 of the Lars and Shaine trilogy, is available for Kindle now.